Darier's White Disorder and wearing COVID-19 face masks

I have been seeing some people talk about how they hate that their new mask wearing routine is making their DWD freak out! I have been having a good reaction to Kiehls Ultra Face Cream and SoonJung creams (as mentioned in a previous blog). It feels nice, no burn, and has really helped create a barrier to the friction of the mask.

Here is more on them:

https://www.etudehouse.com/int/en/index.php/collections/soonjung.html


https://www.kiehls.ca/en/skincare/category/moisturizers/ultra-facial-cream-622.html



And from that time I talked about Black African Soap: http://fightagainstdariersdisease.blogspot.com/2020/02/trying-african-black-soap.html

And that time I talked about trying Korean Beauty Products: http://fightagainstdariersdisease.blogspot.com/2020/01/while-in-korea-beauty-and-skin-products.html

Trying African Black Soap: For acne and Darier's White Disorder

Fun fact: going off pill form birth control and onto a dipped IUD has changed the way my body deals with my hormones and that means my DWD has changed over the past few years, but recently it has changed AGAIN - but it's not exactly the Darier's that's upsetting... it's ACNE?! 

I'm too old for this crap!

I asked my dermatologist what a raw, red, crusted (sounds like DWD!) but with white heads was all about and she confirmed my suspicion: that's not a break out that's acne. GREAT.

So I leaned into some postings in the Darier's White Facebook Group about African Black Soap, this is the one I found and used:

From Mama's Life Product's website:

What it does

Helps remove scars, suitable for all skin types, assists in removing makeup, delays aging of skin, and removes extra oil from skin, excellent for razor bumps and in-grown hairs. Rich in Vitamins A, E & Iron, Revered for having skin nourishing benefits due to an abundance of antioxidants.

How to use it

You can use the Black Soap for showering, bathing, washing your hands, hair and face. Take the Black Soap apart and knead it into a ball to make sure there aren’t any jagged edges, and rub between hands to work into lather.

Key Ingredients & Benefits

100% Unrefined Raw Shea Butter: Shea Butter can be used to treat all of the following skin conditions: Dry Skin, Eczema, Infant Eczema, Stretch Mark Prevention & Minimization, Psoriasis, Arthritis & Rheumatism, Wrinkle Prevention, Diaper Rash, Muscle Fatigue, Scar Minimization & Skin Discolorations, Dry Hair & Scalp and as a natural shaving agent. Shea Butter has been used for centuries for its amazing abilities to renew, repair, and protect the skin. Shea Butter helps to alleviate eczema, soothes sunburn, minimizes stretch marks, long lasting moisturizer, rich in vitamin E, A, and F.

Roasted Plantain Skin: Helps to remove foreign objects and particles from the body. Relieves sunburn, Helps to heal from insect bite, Aids in quicker healing of wounds, Lowers chance of scarring, Treats acne and Rosacea.

Cocoa Pod: Antioxidants, Helps reduce stretch marks, Hydrates skin deeply, Sensitive skin healer.

Coconut Oil: Vitamin E, Assist In Anti-Aging, Rich In Protein, Tissue Repair, Excellent Moisturize For Dry And Hard Skin, Excellent Exfoliant.

Palm Oil: Contains vitamin E, Great anti aging product, Helps skin fight free radicals that damage skin, Deep cleansing, Helps in prevention of skin inflammation.

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Ingredient List: Roasted Plantain skin, cocoa pod, palm kernel oil, coconut oil, palm oil, Shea butter.

Scent: Unscented

I'm in! So I tried it for a week and I am HOOKED:

It definitely helped my raw irritated facial skin; it dried it out without making it sore and itchy. I found that doing it before bed with the Vitamin A cream worked best (in the morning I used my sensitive astringent and a moisturizer **it could be that it's winter here or just the fact that I'm using soap for the first time in ever on my face like this but my skin is thirsty for a good moisturizer. So far I'm making do with the leftovers from Korea but I will need a replacement soon! Something heavy but not oily or perfumed.... I also still did my used coffee grounds as a scrub 2x this week, and avoided the chin area/went over it lightly as it hurt so much.

No makeup in my pictures, and they were taken after washing my face with the soap. The lights are so bright that you don't really get to see how red and raw it was. 

I am going to keep this for a while and I think once my Aveeno sensitive skin wash runs out I may switch to this as an all around body wash too (though I will have to secure a good body lotion as it is drying) any suggestions on what you use for body lotion and facial moisturizer is welcome! Leave me a comment to tell me what works for you! 

While in Korea... Beauty and Skin Products from abroad

SO I recently went on a trip to South Korea and I experienced their OBSESSION with skin care. For those that live in Ontario you will understand when I say: take all the Starbucks and Tim Hortons and change those into makeup and beauty stores = that's Seoul, South Korea. They were EVERYWHERE. My travel partner and I pretty much went into every one of them (she was fascinated with their products and became a little obsessive herself!)

Now people around me know I have a skin disorder so she knew I wouldn't have as much fun playing potions class in every Etude House we came across. But I was willing to try things that were for sensitive skin... and a face mask or two because they just looked lovely! I tried a tea tree oil mask and I have to say it was GREAT! Take a look:

It was super hydrating and cooling and I never had a breakout or irritated skin after. I liked them so much I got a second pack of them to take home. Roberta, my travel buddy and makeup Yoda, recommends doing them every week (or every other week if that sounds too much to someone like me!)

I have also been trying their SoonJung line and so far after a week no bad reactions and no irritation.

I also picked up one of these (well not this exact one, I bought mine for about $3 in a Daiso in Seoul...) 

And it's a great way to not use pad products/something reusable and better for the environment PLUS it just uses warm water to take off your makeup. For me, less is better with my skin, so to just use water or a tiny bit of light soap like Neutrogena Naturals is great. I highly recommend adding this to your arsenal!

I will repost on more of the products I'm using from Korea, but so far I like how light and non-irritating they are. The makeup all include SPF too which is a necessity with me being a ginger (and the DWD). The ones I am looking forward to are: Baking Powder cleanser, more sheet masks, and this Face Blur.

Having DWD means I deal with a lot more redness and spot treatment than most, and sometimes all the products can be overwhelming so I often just... don't do anything. But it's fun to play with makeup again and build confidence around looking "pretty". It's not an everyday thing for me but having healthy skin should be - I am looking forward to learning how to clean and hydrate my skin in a helpful way as I age with DWD.

UPDATE JAN 23 2020 - I have been back for almost two weeks and I LOVE that face pad, it has become a daily ritual and so great. The SoonJung line has been nice but not exactly an improvement, but still nicely hydrating and not irritating me. The Baking Powder foam cleanser stung the first time I tried it so I steered clear of it since. The sheet masks are still my #1 favourite from this trip!

Winter Flare Ups: Living with Darier's White Disorder in all seasons

Each winter I am reminded why I hate the cold weather: it's dry here in Ontario and I run my humidifier constantly, but it is never enough. My scalp gets flaky and my skin gets flares easier. But this year a NEW thing has happened :( my face is getting dry red patches that itch and have a mix of acne and flare up bumps = NOT FUN.

dry patches are new and I hate them

I am trying to treat it with a mixture of things as I am finding one cream is either too heavy (Vitamin E cream and a new one I tried from LUSH called Celestial) and takes away the redness/dry spot but leaves pimples, or it dries out the pimples and soothes the dry skin but leaves flaky dry skin (Vitamin A cream, Polysporin, and the Germolene).

UPDATE: Celestial didn't work out, it was too heavy and left me breaking out** I ended up using it as a hand cream.

I hate winter.
(And yet I prefer it to summer? Ugh, scratch that, I just hate my stupid skin.)

Granted I'm also highly stressed lately and have been consuming more sugar than normal... I need to focus on getting back into a routine of meditation and low/no sugar intake as my back has sprouted red "wings" and the front of my torso is sporting red blotches here and there. I am feeling very defeated.

I have been going to the gym somewhat regularly so sweating and friction of the workout clothes might also be contributing, and they have a hot tub there which is chlorinated so that could be helping or hindering me as well; I have heard that chlorine helps some of us with DWD and people go swimming in pools to help keep flares down.

I am going to go back to 2x 100 mg magnesium a day - one in the morning and one before bed to see if that helps, on top of my regular Vitamin B + Pine Bark Extract mix in the morning. It could be time to mix in Vitamin D (cloudy winters are not making this fun either).

So just a reminder that it's not always the same thing day in and out that works - sometimes you have to bang your head against the metaphoric wall and try to tap into what's making the flare and fix it on the fly.

Happy winter everyone :/

This is the worst.

Seriously. This is the worst my Darier's has been since back in my 20s when I didn't know what it was. It is sore, weepy, itchy, and this is better than last week - granted I needed to let my skin calm down after me trying to put everything on it (TL;DR Bio Oil will mess you UP!)

The pictures can't really capture how red/scaly/irritated/ it is (thanks iphone camera and my lame photography skills) and it's spreading past my usual areas to upper neck and my back... I haven't been this concerned in a while. Yes, I know it's only been 2 months since I went on the IUD and I hear that changing your hormones can affect your Darier's and I have always believed that - I mean, come once a month my "lady time" makes my skin flare up to the point of tears. Now it's at that as base level and it's driving me crazy....

So I'm doubling up on Vitamin A topically and orally in pill form. I'm even splitting the gel cap of the 10000 IU and putting it on the saddest part on my right shoulder/neck. Not applying cover up and letting it breath, lots of scarves and turtlenecks... I am going to talk to my doctor about hormone therapy to see if I can settle this down with more estrogen or progestin, as the low dose from switching t an IUD is the ONLY thing that has changed - I still eat the same, drink the same, and my supplements haven't changed. So that's gotta be it. 

I don't know if I can ride out my natural body chemistry - my friend said it took her body about 6 months to adjust to the IUD after doing pills for most of her life and that's the same boat as me. But, she didn't have her skin reflect her inner chemical circus! 

Gah. This is the worst. 

Trying Something New Follow Up: Saje Restoral Ointment results

I have some sad news, my experiment did not go well with my last post about the Saje Restoral Skin Ointment  it didn't work for me, I tried it for a week, applying in the morning and at night. Here is the day by day:

Day 1


Day 2


Day 3



Day 4


Day 5


...and then I stopped. My skin was getting sore and irritated and hurt. So I stopped and called this a failed experiment. I couldn't make it to day six :(

I went right back to Vitamin A Cream and BOOM it was better in a few days with my pink dots rather than blistered sores like you see above.

I'm sad that it didn't help; at first it felt like it was drying out the affected area but it was really just irritating it and making them open up and be sore and weepy, which made me sore and weepy.

You never know, it may work for you but for me it just seemed to make it worse.

What creams and dietary goods are you trying? Anything new?

Trying something new: Saje Restoral Ointment

I'm a bit hooked on Saje what with their amazing smelly stuff - but being so prone to flare ups and finding the more natural I go the more my skin seems to be happy with me... I started trying things other than their lavender pillow mist (which I HIGHLY recommend...) but their skin stuff.

Restoral Healing Skin Ointment's first ingredient is PINE TAR! See a theme here? My Pine Bark Extract pills are something I can't live without - and here I find this pine tar ointment?! I have to try it.

It is like a potted lip balm in texture, it's brown and it leaves a bit of an orangey brown colour on my skin when applied. BUT it is soothing and it doesn't make my DWD itch or flare. I have been using it for about a week now and my neck bumps (for lack of technical term for the bumps that are ALWAYS around) are not chapped or red, they are pink and soft. This bodes well...

I will keep trying it out and add it to the routine - though I am still applying Vit A cream at night this is something I have started to put on when I get home from work or in the morning under my make up. (Yes I sometimes use Cover FX on my neck to cover up the redness...)

I will report back after some time but I do think it might be worth a try for those who want an alternative to anti-itch creams and ointments. I used this on mosquito bites too and it helped as well!

Guest Blog: Emails from a Reader

I think it's important to keep the conversation going about what we are trying and doing to deal with DWD so after asking permission, I have the emails from a reader and myself talking about what to do around a bad flare up. Please share what you are trying and doing, success and fails are welcome - we all need to learn and lean on each other!

I just finished reading your blog.
I am reaching out to anyone who can help me at this point with my DD.
Just like you, I have and have always had it, on my neck.

This is my second worst break out and I am just so scared of another staph infection, last one turned into sepsis and landed me in hospital.

I hope to hear back from you.I have been very lucky in the past week. My roaccutane has kicked in and looks to be working, at least with clearing up weeping scabs and infection. It's still very red on my right side of my neck. Which has always been the side that breaks out and gets infected. Luckily I see my specialist in a weeks time and she can help me out that little bit more. 

What has and hasn't worked for me? Most of the time nothing works for me, I have tried several ointments that lead to a weeping scabbed up mess and often bacterial infections. A few years back when I had my last severe break out I was on several antibiotics and was lucky enough that they actually cleared it up, although I think that had more so to do with the infection rather then my dariers. I am now testing roaccutane, which has cleared up the left side (thank goodness) but cutting out dairy stopped the itch and burning I was getting.

My break out was caused by hair extensions. The hair extensions contained latex and other harsh chemicals which made my skin just break out. I have fortunately cleared my scalp, but am left with an unsightly mess on my neck. I won't lie, I am embarrassed. 

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Ho man, that sounds awful! 

Have you tried a nutritionist or something if the like? Tested for allergies/triggers? I found most of the topical creams and ointments to just soothe the itch but not actually help or deter more breakouts and spreading. 

Again, no Doctor here but... I haven't done it yet but B12 injections are supposed to calm out your whole body and skin, or CoQ enzymes supplements- I haven't gone this hardcore as I'm trying to wait until I get older as I thankfully just have patches here and there and I don't find I need a full blown therapy past my diet, vitamin A cream, vitamins orally, pine park, zinc, and knowing my triggers. Sure I always have red spots but they are rarely itchy, weeping or scaley. 

Plus there's that new therapy mentioned in one of my recent blogs you might want to try with your specialist - it's new so it's likely expensive though :( 

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I have tried a nutritionist and had not so much luck with that either. But I did find that cutting out dairy, sugar and meat went a long way with clearing it up on my scalp.

So far I have found that deep fried food, alcohol, perfumed soaps and lotions, wool, sunscreen and certain spices like chilli trigger my skin and leave it scabby and sore.

I don't mind at all if you post what I have had to say on your blog. ️ I have found that using just QV has helped me, no other brand of body wash or lotion has done much for my skin. 

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So there you have it - diet has been an issue across the board for us so that's a good place to start is with a nutritionist and allergist and family doctor.

Thanks for sharing and if anyone wants to write a guest blog please just let me know!

-Adrianna

Flare Ups and crying.

Sometimes I just want to cry. Lately my skin has been so bad that it has spread on the chest and upper back to red angry spots that burn consistently, it's like a sunburn: it itches and aches all at the same time. 

These photos do nothing for how red it is and how much it's taking over my upper body. Most of them are sores rather than the hard chapped version, and very big rather than the small pink dots I'm used to. 

Thankfully it is still off my face (phew) but I'm beginning to worry that it's getting worse. 

More of an archive for how my DWD is behaving - I don't really know what to do. I think it may have something to do with the fact I did a gym class and the poor ventilation in the room made me sweat buckets which always triggers my skin into angry mode - and I have been stressed out about an upcoming project. But really? This is the way it is now? I have to wear my stress on my skin so openly and painfully??! Not. Cool.

I also blame the fact that I can't find a Vitamin A cream that has nothing else in it, my go-to Life Brand is getting harder and harder to find. The Jamiesons one has sugar in it and smelly crap that irritate my skin. Do you have something that is working for you?

I will up my water intake and go back to meditations and double my pine bark and Vitamin B but... I don't want to go on an elimination diet again and I don't want to stop drinking alcohol completely again. Ugh. Just ugh. And sadness. 

Protopic: Tacrolimus - I asked my Dermo

SO! A comment came through that said "New medication from my dermatologist is tacrolimus ointment. Calms everything down and doesn't have any side effects. A lot of the drugs and creams actually make you itch worse." Thanks for sharing Charlene!

I asked my dermo about it and she said the (paraphrasing) following:

It's "street name" is Protopic, and it's a non-steroid cream so unlike Accutane dermatologists can offer it to people like us with little worry because the extended use of creams for us (as we are lifers with DWD) is okay without the nasty side effects of steroids (hair loss, weight gain/loss...)

I didn't pick any up because it's new and exciting which means = $ expensive $

And you need a prescription for it (why if it has little to no side effects and doesn't have steroids?!) 

It sounds like something I might be interested in a few years when the hype dies down and I hit my 40s. 

Here's what the internet says: 

This form of tacrolimus is used on the skin to treat a skin condition called eczema(atopic dermatitis) in patients who have not responded well to (or should not use) other eczema medications. Tacrolimus belongs to a class of drugs known as topical calcineurin inhibitors (TCIs).

And another write up from Rexall:

Tacrolimus belongs to the class of medications called immunosuppressants. This medication is used on a short-term or intermittent basis to treat atopic dermatitis (eczema). It is also used to prevent eczema flare-ups.This medication works on certain areas of the immune system that may be involved in developing this skin condition. It is used when standard treatments have not worked or if there is a reason they cannot be used.

SO! Charlene and anyone else willing to tell us about how their use of Protopic/Tacrolimus is going? Any reviews?

I just want to feel normal.

I have a tough post to make here.

I recently got an email (thanks for those by they way! Always happy to connect!) that ended with "I just want to feel normal."

I can't help you with that.

What I can do is help you learn from my mistakes and triumphs - but ultimately only you can find your "normal" and I put those in lil quotes because I also don't believe in normal. That word is loaded with baggage so I urge you to find what makes you YOU and you happy.

Y0u can help yourself by seeing your family doctor, then I would highly recommend finding a Natural Path. I had a great experience at Robert Schad Naturopathic Clinic here in Toronto.

Under the recommendations that the above parties give you I also recommend cutting out triggers and allergens like:

-alcohol
-high sugar intake
-cow dairy
-whatever makes your skin (and stomach) crawl when you eat it

I also recommend using gentle and natural products like:

-Perfume free moisturizer (I love the Aveeno line or their knock offs + I live off of Life Brand Vitamin A cream.)
-Perfume free laundry detergent
-Moisture rich shampoo (I'm really liking Rosemary Mint by Aveda) as less crap in your hair = less itchy/scaly skin on my head and neck.
-ditch as much makeup as possible as it only irritates the skin, but if you have to I have been having a good time with Cover FX for hiding bumps and redness.

I also recommend asking about vitamins. I take a women's multivitamin + Pine Bark Extract + B complex + D, and sometimes Zinc + Omegas + Probiotics.

It's a bit overwhelming and I can't say that I have been 100% following my own rules/reco's - but when I do I feel better and have fewer flare ups.

This is not to say I don't have any trace of my Darier's.

I ALWAYS have bumps.
I ALWAYS have redness.

It's just manageable with the above regime.

See?

Stress.
Lady Time.
Parties with all the sugary treats and alcohol.
Sweating really hard at the gym.

All that and more makes for visible/more bumps. That's just life. For me anyway.

So I'm really terribly sorry, my blog isn't doctor approved, nor is it the recipe you have been looking for to make this go away (but if you have it please share with the rest of us!)

 I'm just letting you in on my side of the fight against Darier's - and I hope you take something positive away from it. I hope you share your struggles and wins with me so we can learn from each other.

But other than that?
It just goes on. I wear a lot of scarves. I have a lot of cover ups for the beach. I try to avoid certain foods if I know I'm going to have my picture taken or whatever - and I have had a shift in career to get behind the camera rather than in front of it. It's my way of dealing. But that's just it - my way.

Please share your way of dealing and maybe it will help others too. That's all I'm doing here :)

Thanks for your emails and comments.
I hope we can help each other out.

-Adrianna

Tattoos and Dariers

I got a tattoo!

A teeny tiny tattoo...

That's me & my brother getting a tattoo!

I was worried that my skin disorder would FREAK out so I started small: it's probably about 2 cm x 1 cm in total and I used dark brown ink on my forearm. Now I got it in a place that doesn't have flare ups, but I was told that it could go either way with tattoos. 

My experiment has so far been a success! It's been 2 months since I got it and it is healing perfectly. Do I want a back tattoo over my regular flare ups? Not really. But if you were shying away from your decision to get a tattoo because of your DWD I would say to find a place away from the regular hot spots. I did what they told me: kept it clean and dry except for the recommended moisturizer and out of the sun (which is easy for a Ginger like me!)

So! No reaction out of the norm and now I am planning my next tattoo... 

A little call out to those in the UK

I was recently contacted by Discovery Channel and Betty to see if anyone in our community would like to share their story:

The message I received from Jessica: 

The documentary we are making will follow single men and women who feel that their love lives have been affected by a medical or physical condition and as a result may not feel entirely comfortable with being open about their condition when they first meet people. We would like bring a bit of awareness to skin conditions, such as psoriasis, keloid scarring, vitiligo and eczema.  I understand that a lot of these conditions are hard to deal with because there is no simple cure and individuals may have to live with a condition for their entire life.  I wondered if anyone from the UK ever got in touch with you about Darier’s disease? Darier’s disease isn’t something we have previously featured, and it would be great to provide some awareness to a new condition.

I'm intrigued, aren't you? I think sharing our stories is necessary to end stigma and create community! I hope you message her :)

Skin irritations and Darier's

We all get the little red calloused dots. We all get what looks like a rash too. But sometime ago I noted that I got a flat burn like irritation: http://fightagainstdariersdisease.blogspot.ca/2014/10/ew-flarenew-flare.html That was Oct 2014. Here it is now:

Believe it or not THAT is "better" - it's not as raised and red, but it's still there. It's just above my waist where no clothes chaff it (if it were the 80's with highrises I would be in trouble) and it doesn't hurt at all... I just find it weird. It's the only one like it and it has been there for 4 months... Do you get these? 

I think it's THIS exact inflammation that reminds me I'm not reacting to something, I'm not "doing something wrong" like forgetting my pills or eating too much sugar (which can make this disorder worse) - nope. It's just there. And that's the way it's gonna be. Which is not fun but denying it will get me no where. 

If you have any insight into these flat rather large (it's the size of a nickel) patches let me know! I have tried all the things listed in this blog and it is still there. 

Thank you for all your letters!

I just wanted to say thanks: thank you for visiting this site and thanks for sending me your notes, comments and emails about your insights/triumphs/questions/answers/journeys. Thank you for telling your story.

I have a separate blog at my mental health website and I invite guest bloggers there to share their stories - I want to encourage community. And I think I want that here too. So many times I hear such great feedback or even a personal story of how you are dealing with Darier's that I automatically want to ask if I can report it as a blog here. Well, why not?!

If you are willing to share your journey please let me know and I will happily post it here to share to others. 

I have readers from around the world and it would be great to hear how others are doing. 

I would love to know if you are using Pine Bark or if you have found something else that is working for you. If you have had great vs. poor results when following any kind of diet or prescription.

Not many are talking about Darier's White Disorder so we might as well start up our own discussion and fight this together.

Thanks again and I hope to hear from you,

Adrianna

Having to change (creams) is hard

Recently I had to stop using the great A Cream that Shoppers Drugmart Life Brand makes because they discontinued it. Major fail. So I switched to something in the same price bracket but at a health food store:

My face has been okay with it, but the rest of me is not sold on it. First: it smells like...roses? I think it wants to be roses. And that means there's more than Vitamin A in there :(

It's been a few weeks, and a hot summer. I spent all last week in the sun on vacation, mind you I was never in a bathing suit I was mostly covered up and always wearing SPF 60. This summer has given me a lot of freckles - so is this flare-up (see picture below) from the sun, from the new moisturizer, or…

I haven't had flat flare ups in a really long time. They have mostly been the little red dots but  I'm used to them. I'm starting to think I might have to take more than just Pinebark Vitamin B and D to deal with this again, like when I started.

I hope it's just the increase of sunshine/acting stupid on vacations and that I should probably be more careful about how much sun/sugar I'm consuming. But it could just be what it is - with age it does get worse. Here's hoping it's a blip on the radar and not a full "storm" coming on.

Vitamin A creams

Having a flare up this month - I think it's because (sorry gentlemen but) I'm starting new birth control pills and my hormones are everywhere. Plus I'm stressing about work, and not watching my sugar intake. Or it could just be that I'm getting older and my skin is not as resilient as it used to be. 

I went to see my useless dermatologist who asked ME what was working. Huh. 

The only thing he said that was useful was about Vitamin A - I forgot it is one of the top vitamins in skin rejuvenation. So I passed on the hundred dollar cream and went and got that cream you see above at the health food store for 9.99$ So far so good. The only thing is, it has "fragrance" - which could mean an irritant. But so far that hasn't been a bother to my skin. It actually smells nice! But it is very light - made for wrinkles apparently - so it absorbs fast and I usually like heavier creams like the Lifebrand vitamin E cream. 

Anything working for you?

DD Community part 2

More emails from great people from around the world who also have DD - our thoughts over email shared for your interest:


Hi Adrianna!My name is Tsvetelina, Eastern Europe.I was diagnosed with Darier's disease 10 years ago,now I'm 29.When I was searching on the web for new information and treatment of DD, I  found the site www.skinpatientsalliance.ca and your postings.As I also have the disease, I think and hope that we can exchange information about therapies and treatment of DD and help each other.
Like you, I've seen a lot of dermatologists,most didn't know about DD or know a few.After being diagnosed with DD, I hardly wanted that biopsy was wrong.I even took second biopsy,still the same - Darier's disease.So I had to admit I should live with it and find a treatment wich will work for me.That isn't easy,as you know that for now,there's no total cure of DD, only supporting treatment unfortunately.
With the years I have outbreaks more often,especially when I have my period.I've been taking oral retinoids - Neotigason,but only for 2-3 months because it caused me hard loss of hair.I also used topical retinoids -Retin A,Adapalene also known as Differin ( I still use it,it gives me good results) and others.I also use corticosteroids as cream - Fucicort ,wich also contains antibiotics,and I also have been on injections with corticosteroids,didn't help a lot.I have had procedures of chemical peeling,that also didn't help me a lot.As I didn't find the "right therapy",  I keep searching .And I try to stay positive and believe that somehow things will be better.
I also take vitamins and supplements but not regularly.From 2 weeks I'm taking 4 Life Transfer Factor Plus( www.4life.com) and I expect a good result.As I learn in your blog about your Hypoallergic diet ,I'm interested in what exactly it consist(I never made a diet for DD).Also about the vitamins and supplements you're taking,in what doses,and for what periods of time?Now I'm also thinking on the possibility for a surgery with Yag Laser,I read articles that it works on DD and even a complete remission can be achieved.
Hope you'll write me back and we can give a hand on our common problem - Darier's disease.
Best regards,
Tsvetelina
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Hello!

Good to meet you - and I'm sorry that you too have DD. I have posted my dosages on the website but tend to stay away from much detail because I am not a doctor nor a health practitioner - take the vitamins and suupliments to your natural path or health practitioner to get the dosage that is right for your body. Right now I take Vit B1,6,12 complex, Zinc/copper, Vitamin D, A, sometimes C, omegas on occasion when I haven't had fish in that day, probiotics, maritime PINE BARK! is my saviour. It is my miracle pill.  Look into it - I couldn't live without it!

I'm having troubles seeing all my posts on skinpatientalliace and have called them recently to figure it out - I'm thinking most of my dosage entries are there.  I hope they will figure it out with me soon!

I haven't tried most of the medication you have listed - the side effects scared me off too quickly and so did the prices! The hypoallergenic diet was to find my triggers and you can find the general outline of how to do one over the internet but I strongly suggest seeing someone to support you through it like a homeopath or nutritionist just to make sure you don't get sick eliminating things from your diet. I feel more in control of my body since the detox/diet since now I know how my body reacts to certain foods and can understand a flare up or stomach ache - its really empowering!

I haven't heard about yag laser - please tell me more!  It sounds expensive but complete remission would be amazing.

I'm sorry I can't be more helpful but hopefully having a dialogue will help us both!  Thank you for the email,

Adrianna
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Hi Adrianna!Thank you for your e-mail!

About the Yag laser I'll send you some links to websites,where you can find detailled information:

http://www.asclepion.com/root_corporate/pdf/studies/MCL%20Efficacy%20of%20erbium%20laser%20ablation%20in%20darier%20disease%20and%20hailey-hailey%20disease.pdf

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6eA19evcLAkJ:www.ehow.com/way_5670338_laser-therapy-darier_s-disease.html+laser+therapy+for+darier's+disease&cd=2&hl=bg&ct=clnk&gl=bg

I didn't recently speak to a dermatologist about this procedure and don't know the prices, but I think it will be expensive too.The procedure must be done during autumn or winter,here the dermatologists don't have any experience regarding the use of Yag laser for DD,that's also why I hesitate.

I found here Maritime Pine Bark and will try it.Also I start again taking Vit A+E, Fish oil and will include Vit B complex.I continue with 4 Life Transfer Factor,you can check on it,it's not a medication but a supplement, very good for the immune system and recommended for autoimune diseases, what is DD.

I'll see what I can do about the diet,I never have been allergic to food,but regardind DD,I noticed that it gets worse after drinking alcool or eating chocolate,desserts.

About the medications, after using Neotigason,I don't want to  hear about any oral retinoids,it was really awful.I can recommend you to use topical creams with antibiotics and corticosteroids ,just in case of inflammation and infection.

Thanks again for the information,hope we'll keep in touch!

First post here but not ever!

I used to belong to a website called skinpatientalliance.ca but it shut down so I couldn't get to my posts or reply or anything... So here is my own blog to help raise awareness of Darier's White Disorder or Dariers Disease or DD.

I have it. I'm living with it. And I'm owning it. Here's how I did it starting with the blog I had started back in 2009 - this will be one huge post but after this I hope to keep up the conversation here and at the new skin site called www.skinergy.ca where I am now logged on as Adrianna P

I didn't edit this - It has all the comments rolled into it that I received from posting my "blog" on their site. 

Enjoy and hope to hear from you!
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I have posted in the "share your story" how I came to know what my disease is: Darier's Disease http://dermnetnz.org/scaly/darier.html

And now I wanted to start a discussion/blog on what I have been doing to try and live with it and try to "make it go away".

After being paraded around in front of 30 or so dermatologists this rare disease is not getting the time and effort I thought it should.  I was given Retin A cream and to stay out of the sun.  Not that much to go on and of course, nothing really changed.

I went to see a Natural Path at this clinic: http://www.ccnm.edu/?q=robert_schad_naturopathic_clinic  and instatly felt I had found a place where I was being treated as a human rather than just some neat disease that no ones really heard of.  True, they didn't know it either - but their enthusiasm and excitment (which was hilarious I will admit) at what the possibilities were to cure and aid me in my fight was what I wanted to see from a working group of professionals.

They started me on:

B6 complex 1x 250mg/day
Fish Oil  1 tsp/day
Probiotics
Vitamin D 500 mg/day
A hypoallergetic diet

because I have been on and off antibiotics most my life from ulcers, we believe I also suffer from a Candida Albicans imbalance.  This is why the probiotics and fish oil, but a strong immune and GI helps everything in your body - this is their reasoning. I also have been lactose intolerant since I was about 21 (now 26) and more and more food allergies are cropping up - so this also is to aid my growing sensitivities to foods.
The fact that it seems that the Darier's is affected by hormonal changes (it is written that a woman's cycle can make the rash more intense at certain times) is why the B6.

My team of naturopaths have taken all the info from my consultation and will follow up with me with what they find about Darier's - my lead Doctor there said this was "exciting!" and when I grimaced he said "oh not for you - but think, this is a learning facility too - everyone will want to work on it!" that made me happy!

I will return with updates, and please if you too are going through Darier's disease please post about your findings as this disease is eluding every health practitioner I encounter!!







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Darier's
mary lou
I tried to post last week for the first time but it did not work, so I will try again. I am a 53 year old female and I was diagnoised with Darier's at the age of 15. On a scale of one to ten with ten being the worst I am a solid three. I have been to many doctor's and specialists and have tried all medications. (Accutane, Soriatane, creams, steriods, etc.) Soriatane has been the only thing that works for me. Last year I started reading the comments on this forum. Adrianna's postings were very interesting to me and so I tried her supplement suggestions and have had some good results so far. I have emailed her and she is always a good source of information and positive support.

I met with the head of Dermtology at Duke University and he was able to explain and discuss many issues with Darier's Disease. He told me that researchers have found the defective chromosone that causes the body to not be able to process the skin cells properly with Darier's and he also stated that the calcium pump in the body is also defective. I asked if we take more calcium will it help and he stated no. If you type in calcium pump and Darier's disease it will pull up information on this. He let me know that a cure for Darier's is a long way off. There are many other disease's that cause death in large numbers and most if not all patient's with Darier's live a normal life span. His hope is that research in other cures for higher priority disease's will lead to help with Darier's.

Along with Adrianna, I use Aveeno products and they are a god send. I also only use Cetaphil soap and take very short, warm showers. I wear mostly cotton clothing and use detergent that is free of all dyes and perfumes. I am carefull in the sun even though winter is my worst time. Stress is a major factor in dealing with this disease. Sometimes I think it is what others think and the questions they ask that makes us so stressed. The calmer I am the milder my breakouts are. As I reach menopause the breakouts happen less often, must be due to harmones.

I have been married for 30 years to a wonderful, understanding man and have two grown children who at the ages of 26, and 27 show no signs of Darier's. There are days when I want to pull the covers over my head when I am having a break out, but most of the time I live life to the fullest and just try to stay positive. As I told Adrianna, knowledge is power and the more we share information about Darier's the more we can help ourselves and hopefully others.

Thanks for letting an "Old Lady" vent!

Mary Lou

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Interesting post - thanks.
Interesting post - thanks. You always write a interesting article. Thanks!
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Im not quite familiar with
Im not quite familiar with that disease. But its a good thing you've shared your experience. Thank you Get well soon

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Its been a couple weeks...March 24
My follow up with the naturopath was mostly a physical check up - next time they will do blood and urine samples. They checked everything from thyroid, liver, kidney tenderness.

Then the phone rang: my pap came back for the 2nd time in 6 months as ASCUS. So I have that on my plate as well. For this they prescribed a caster oil pack, cod liver oil, estrogen lessening foods such as broccoli, cauliflower, dark leafy greens and brussel sprouts.

I have been on a hypoallergetic diet and am now reintroducing soy products (being lactose intolerant I need need need soy!)

I also just started reintroducing 500 mg of vitamin C and 1 capsule of high potency fish oil. And I am still doing 500 mg of B6, 500 mg of Vit D, and probiotics twice a day.

My retin-A cream ran out - and for 50$ a tube I am trying pure vitamin A capsules broken onto my skin and massaged. I will do this for one week and see if it gets worse/better. It has lessened in scaly-ness and less red bumps and the open sores have been gone for a couple weeks now. Its itchy a lot more too. I have flakey dry skin that needs exfoliating even though it still is tender.

A friend commented that her skin gets very much like mine when shes around wool - particularly scarves. Seeing as this comes around winter time aka when I start wearing scarves, I am going to see if taking wool out of the equation also lessens my neck rash. It is, and always has been only on my neck.

Will report on the vitamin a substitute

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April 8 2009 update
So this was my 3rd visit to the naturopath and this time I noted the following to them:

Vit A capsules broken onto skin doesn't do much at all except lubricate without stinging
My Vaseline Intensive Care Vit A & E are now burning when I put it on
My rask/bumps are moving down my neck past collar bones to my chest in a polo shirt V neck pattern. As well the left side of my face is now red and has minor bumps.
I re-started the retin-A cream for the past week and a bit and it is not taking away anything just yet. It is flaky and sensitive from this cream.

Naturopath said:

Vit A 1,000 IU daily is fine up to 10,000 IU for a shirt period of time should I need
Fish oil every day (I was rotating)
Vitamin C everyday 250 NOT CHEWABLE because chewable gave me cankers in my mouth!
Continue with B6 and Vitamin D daily with probiotics at meals.

Added: Zinc and Copper 1/day - as these both help heal damaged skin
peppermint oil should I need it for my stomache and bowl
Aveeno anti itch cream for use instead of polysporin

Watch: cashews and mangos - they are a part of the poison ivy family and I am already sensitive to mangos.

Taken away: Soy, I reintroduced it and viola, more rash? could it be the soy - I will test it. It was in my diet for 2 weeks and the past 3 days the bumps just keep coming. Only on my neck and chest though. **About 5 days ago 5 or so bumps on my ribs/midriff appeared - used retin A and polysporin and they died off...**

Think about: B12 injections as they can be very good for skin disorders and relaxing the body. it would be 11$/shot/wk

Also the ASCUS turned into a colponoscopy - which in turn saw nothing abnormal in my cervix - she thinks - and a BIG THINK - nothing definitive; that if my darier's is a skin disorder then it may be affecting skin cells throughout my body including the lining of my cervix.

I have started to take photos of my rash to try and log the changes. I do so at least once a week but I may do it more.

And finally I have asked for my fathers medical history and diagnosis of his psoriasis - if he had a biopsy or not as this disorder is autosomal - meaning it goes from generation to generation never skipping a line - so one of my parents has to have it or its not darier's - so I'm looking for a lineage of this disease in my family now.

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June 22 2009 Update
So I went to the Dermatologist for a biopsy with my dad - as he has Psoriasis so naturally I would have to assume he is the genetic link to my disease. the Dermatologist laughed and said "no he doesn't need a biopsy - you have the disease - he didn't give it to you! Your body made it for itself!"

WHAT?! Why would it do that?!

My brain has to theorize this: if my mom has moles, my dad has psoriasis then I have the genetic mix match of this and my body made a decision to go neither way but make up a new path = darier's white disorder?! GREAT.

So my dad was feeling much better but I was feeling lousy. The Dermo was explaining my brothers will most likely not have it. But we won't know until they are in their late twenties or early thirties. Just like me. But my kids, should I have any, will have a 50% chance of contracting this disorder. Great.

Since my last post I have had a really good reaction to the Zinc/copper. So much so that my Natural Path wants me to take it twice a day. I don't know if I can do that - its a mineral and its harsh! you have to take it with lots of food and even then I sometimes throw up. But my skin is looking much better with it. that and the fish oil is great. I sometimes take a vitamin A 10,000 IU at bed time (all with my cream from the Dermo: Retin A) and I like what I am seeing.

You can go here to see my skin results: http://www.flickr.com/photos/adriannap/sets/72157620223217212

I try to take some pictures every now and again to show myself I am in fact improving as its depressing to wake up everyday to it as I'm sure we all hate that skin regime to get out of the house...

I have also found that soy is not good for my skin nor my body in any large amounts. And white wine is going under the microscope as I had some at a party twice now and my skin freaked after both occasions - but I was at a party eating various things that perhaps I shouldn't... but the common factor was white wine. Red doesn't seem to affect it but that too will be looked at.

I haven't explored the B12 injections due to finances - but I'm still interested... Aveeno is my sanity! It doesn't sting - it is my cleanser, my body wash, my face scrub and soon to be my sunscreen - I LOVE IT! For anyone with a sensitivity this is for you!!

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July 10 2009
New pictures are up -

Since I'm now also working at the Tea Shop around the corner I have been reading up on tea and healing properties... I'm drinking a maple tea: http://www.davidstea.com/organic-maple.html which has zinc in it to help my skin and immunity. Also I have been trying this one: http://www.davidstea.com/night-out.html which has Vitamin A and olive leaf in it. Plus giving this a try for my all around health instead of coffee: http://www.davidstea.com/coffee-pu-erh.html it is akin to probiotics in a natural state - its a good cleaner of your innards and I know I need that!

talking to customers I happened to meet "Nadia" a pharmacist who got to talking to me because there was a book on the tea shop wall saying "Foods that Fight Cancer" which she scoffed at and we got to talking about how everything is connected: mind and body - what you eat and everything in between. She said I need to check out http://www.pycnogenol.com/flash/ at 50 mg once a day, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10 100 mg per day, and Omega 3's at 100 mgs twice a day.

I will look into those - and keep drinking tea! because I'm addicted already to tea so why not ones built to help me?

Still haven't braved the B12 injections...

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August 2009
If I had one thing to say it would be:

THANK YOU NADIA THE PHARMACIST! Since using Pine Bark extract or Pyncegol my rashes have all but gone away!!

I was scared because I had a vacation in LA and I didn't want to show off my lovely rash but I barely used make up and by introducing it into my cocktail of supplements I really think I have caught on to something really great for my skin!

I checked out the Encyclopedia of Nutrtional Supplements http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Nutritional-Supplements-Essential-Imp... and read up on what exactly is happening in my body that makes this a wonder drug...

turns out that the pine bark extract is a flavonoid - a PCO (procyanidolic oligomers) which means its a huge antioxidant and free-radical and works to deplete the destruction of collagen which is the support structure of skin and blood vessels in the body. Its antioxidant rate is 50x that of Vit A and E! So get out there and pick this up! either Grape Seed extract or Maritime Pine Bark - pyncegol has been branded so just look for what ever brand you trust and try these antioxidants. And research for yourself - flavonoids are what people rave about when they say Green Tea is so good for you - so look it up, its worth it!

I also found this interesting in the Encyclopedia & A-Z Guide to Drug-Herb-Vitamin Interactions....
While reading about my topical cream Retin-A :

"Severe cystic acne and disorders of KERATINIZATION, such as Darier's disease... or hyperkeratosis" it listed Darier's!! In a widely publicized book. Wow. That's a first. It says that zinc is an agent for Vit A to be absorbed, as well as Vit E. So my Vit A or Retin-A cream will work better with my body if I take my Zinc Copper balance - in other words I can't skimp out on the zinc :( I was looking for things to cut in my cocktail of supplements but it looks like the new mix is here to stay - with the pine bark! Also the PCO has no drug interactions! It truly is a miracle supplement!!

I find the pine bark can be taken whenever - with a glass of water or with food, and no where does it say that its a bad choice either way. Mean while Zinc will make me sick to my stomach and has made me dash to the lou if I don't eat enough. So beware.

Lessons learned:
Protein and zinc are necessary for retinal mobilization
Vit A needs zinc and/or vit E to work properly
pine bark is awesome. I'm taking 50 mg/day mid day - it says I can up it to 150-300 for therapy (which I have come to know as short periods of time) **I will have to talk to my natural path about this one...
Eat more dried apricots, chili peppers, kale and sweet potatoes, cherries and paprika - so says it for skin disorders
Read up on more Flavonoids like Quercetin as its an anti-inflammatory... it can be found in fried onions (yum!)
Look into introducing CoQ10 and Vit E

On a side note - I have purchased this awesome cookbook: http://www.amazon.com/Baking-Agave-Nectar-Ultimate-Sweetener/dp/15876132... because I find sugar makes my rash appear more pronounced (and it gives me headaches...)
**be warned - agave makes your intestines move and shake and you can't have too much at one time so I would recommend splitting the agave needs with buckwheat honey which was also recommended to me by "Nadia"

best wishes and let me know if you find anything fantastic!

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Nov 2009
It has been a whole year since I started this journey to find out what was wrong with my skin and later find out I was diagnosed with Darier's Disorder.

I can thankfully say I have a therapy that works for me and my skin is mostly clear of any signs of the disorder. Yes, I get flare ups when I'm eating improperly, overly stressed, or its that wonderful time of the month (eep!) but really day to day life is no longer filled with tears or rashes that ache.

I want to take a moment to thank everyone - who I have met along the way that offered support either in hugs or medicine, treatment or just a shoulder to cry on. Also to those I have not met or met yet that I hope this blog speaks to you and allows you to seek out treatments that work for you.

I have met several people living with Darier's from this blog and I hope to continue to do so - not that I like hearing you too may be afflicted but that we can be a community for eachother and keep ourselves informed and also encourage eachother to help ourselves find a way of life suitable to our own needs especially when faced with a genetic disorder.

Thanks again everyone.

Nothing new to report other than I'm in a play (yes I'm acting again thanks to skin that will again allow make up artists near it!) and I have slowly gaining my momentum and confidence that was dashed one year ago. *insert big smile here*

What I'm taking now:
b12 b6 100 mg each day
vit d 1000 ui each day
Maritime Pine Bark Extract each day 30 mg

Alternating:
zinc/copper 15 mg
omega
vit c 50 mg
Calcium supplement
probiotics

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Darier's Disease
I posted information on General Discussion maybe you would like to refer to it.My email address is sandy.b1@hotmail.com Look forward to hearing from you and we can compare our treatments with each other.Take care Best regards Sandy

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I too have Darier's Disease
I too have Darier's Disease and I am going through an outbreak at the moment which is my worse yet. I am 36 years old, had my first symptoms at age 13 but diagnosed at 22. From your pics, the pattern of mine is almost identical to yours and those pics could easily have been of me. I would like to email you rather than talk over the forum. I have tried so many lotions, creams, pills- we could compare notes. If you would like, I would email you. Thanks.

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of course!
you can email me at adriannasemail @ gmail . com

hope to hear from you! and I'm posting some great stuff I have learned right after I click send on this!

all the best,

Adri

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December 2009
A new photo is up on my flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/adriannap/4192307445/

Still in the clear! I do have occasional bumps but no rash like I had last year. I remember it being painful to wear anything with a collar - but that I wanted to so I could hide the rash :( This year is different! And I hope it is with you too!

I keep getting emails - and I love it! I am so thankful to be able to pay it forward! If you have Darier's the best advice I can give is keep trying - keep reaching out for more answers because it is such a little known disorder and doctors can get flustered by the lack of documented cases. I also suggest taking down your stress levels as stress will only make you flare up. I know I know, it's the motto for life right? Destress. But yoga, a good book, a comedic movie, a healthy dinner - anything that makes you destress or puts you in a relaxing mood will help! So around this time of year it may be that the bumps flare up because we are eating overly sugary foods or that we haven't done our xmas shopping yet - all stress. At the end of each day allow yourself to be relax. "Leave it at the door" as many directors say; it won't be there tomorrow so let it go.

Now I sound like a guru or something. I hope you can take from this blog what you will. It was also a way for me to destress. A way to let me let go of my frustration with my skin.

So Happy Holidays and here is to a rash free New Year!

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January Winter Blues
I have started having email conversations with some of you lovely people who have read my blogs over the past year. A Mary Lou writes that she has intel about calcium and Darier`s. I hope she can log in soon to talk about it as I think I need more information about it before I blog about the correlation. But I am intrigued as I have always had a strong reaction to too much calcium in my system - to the point I get zit-like peaks in my skin especially on my face (gee where did my Dariers first appear?) and they slowly disappear. I cant attack them like popping a zit or wash my face enough, and it is definitely around calcium as I have logged it in my books. That and Vit. C I don`t get along great with but I must take supplements because I dont eat/drink enough of them.

My back has now been a canvas for Darier`s - no picture as its hard to photo your own back! But it was a light inflammation due to what I can only conclude is from a holiday season of sugary foods, too much alcohol (which is terrible for my Darier`s as there is dehydration and sugar jammed into a lil wine glass) and such stress dealing with family and recent events.

I also started taking my clear skin for granted and lessened my regime of pills. I am back on Pine Bark everyday and B, D, alternate C, Omegas occasional, and Vit A - which ran out in December and I just shrugged about it. Mistakes were made. I am just thankful it wasn`t my face and neck that blew out of control.

So I`m back to yoga and exercise. Water and supplements daily. I also still enjoy tea - but for every cup of tea I have a cup of water as it can sneak away hydration from you and caffeine is a fiend as well.

So yes - the moral is - DO NOT fall under the spell that your disorder is just going away. It is not. Stay on top of your own health and take care. It is work. But the reward is totally worth it!

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March 1 2010
Like I didn't already know but: I have had a relapse of symptoms but its funny how I can pin point where it stems from since I have had such a good study of myself and all the effects "things" have on me...

I drank white wine in abundance at a friends dinner party. I have forgotten to renew my supply of pine bark for 5 days (life got busy!), because life is busy = more stress, I ate butter by accident (thanks restaurant that lied to me) and my digestive system has been stressed because of it.

All these things led to me getting a break out on my chest and back. Interesting how it didn't reappear on my neck. Though I have be noticing if something is scratchy or its too dry my skin goes red very quickly and stays red with bumps. I would say more so than most. It is the winter time when its much dryer and the cold winds don't help - as Mary Lou was saying above - Winter is my worst time of year.

The lesson learned: don't skimp out on Pine Bark or whatever works for you. AND remember that everything is connected so do yoga or meditate or watch a funny movie - stress is a major factor in this game.

Hope you are all doing well ~ until next time!

Adrianna

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Pine Bark
Adrianna,
I have tried this for almost 7 days and i have notice a small improvment in the rash on my neck and the rest of my bosy seems to itch alot less, I found an over the counter cream with pine bark extract in it, it was 26.00 us dollars so i didn't buy it but my mother surprised me with it today, i will post my results after a weeks use. I have found your blog very helpful and it gives me renewed hope. Thank You for saring.

Cindy

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mary lou Hello, My surgery
mary lou
Hello,
My surgery went really well and it had some interesting results for Darier's. They put me on mega doses of vitamins two weeks before the surgery and they contained B6, B12 and the usual D,A,E,etc. Granted it was in high doses but what a difference it made in my skin. The surgery also included lasers and to my surprise the Darier's is now not visable in those areas as it was before. I am going to wait to pass judgement on if the laser was the reason. I am staying on a lower dose of the vitamins to see if they continue to help. They come in a pack distributed by doctors, it is called Vitasurge. My skin has never looked better. I am also using a line of skin products called Revision. The doctor recomended them and they are so far great. But as we all know time will tell. I am still using Aveeno as my daily lotion. I take short warm showers and immediatly put the Aveeno (oat essense) lotion on all over. If I do that everyday without fail things are much improved. Like you say, you have to manage it everyday without fail. Can't wait till summer!

Mary Lou

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SO good to hear that your
SO good to hear that your surgery went well AND that you had some bonus side effects! I find that the high doses do well for my skin too - I still have to see a Natural Path to see if this will hinder me in the long run though... Have you talked to a sustainable amount for skin therapy?

I have never heard of Revision or Vitasurge but thank you for letting us know ~ I will look into them for sure: taking individual doses can be really annoying at times but the results are worth it...but if there is a compact version of what I take daily...

I found the note the "Nadia" lady gave me with the dosages she recommended that finally led to my remission of sorts - I am nervous to call her and tell her that she is in fact my own personal goddess! I'm thinking of giving her flowers or something. What would be better is if this site hosts a get together in TO I would love to call her and have her speak about what she has learned as a pharmacist. She is obviously very skilled.

Thanks for sharing and I hope to hear more great news from you and everyone else!

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mary lou Hello, I hope this
mary lou

Hello,

I hope this finds you feeling well. The weather has turned warm and I am so glad for that. Still doing well from the surgery. I am still taking the vitamins and using the products that the doctor recommened with good results. I would love to have Nadia at least correspond with us. I am not sure if that is allowed by her company due to regulations (malpractice). As I have said before knowledge is power. The name of the vitamins is VITAMEDICA, I had it wrong on previous post. I do believe the relationship between laser use and Darier's clearing is there but would like to see more research information from doctor's. I hope we all have a free and clear summer!

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Happy sunshine in a sun hat to you too!
I just looked up that line of vitamins: VITAMEDICA; http://vitamedica.com/ is it the Healthy Skin line he recommended? It looks interesting and promising if you are having good results!

I just had a lovely letter from Maria and through our correspondence I turned this up:
http://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/deodorant#/?page=Deodorant it's a deodorant that my friend swears by and could be good for sensitive skin such as ours. I have yet to try it as I'm still ok with Ivory's "sensitive" skin line for under my arms.

Also a reminder that if you are in Ontario you can always call Telehealth 1-866-797-0000 TTY : 1-866-797-0007 (now they will probably be mind boggled by our story of Darier's!) but you can talk about mixing pills/vitamins/supplements and how to deal with the sun effectively in your own way. What works for me may not work for you! So keep talking and asking questions until you find your answer.

I also saw an ad for this: a sunblock spf 100!! http://www.helioplex360.neutrogena.com/?utm_source=n_com&utm_medium=refe...
(theres even a click link for a coupon) I think I may try it - I have to buy some anyway - though I do like Aveeno's spray 45 or 60.

with a follow up from Oprah ;) http://www.oprah.com/health/The-Benefits-of-SPF-100

And don't be lazy! I have been drinking summer patio drinks already and the sugar is taking it out on my skin - and buy some new sun hats, there are some great ones at Winners right now in Canada - now I have 5 :) My fav is now a huge tan and white floppy that extends to my shoulders! What's your favourite?

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Calcium
mary lou
Hello,
I hope the summer is off to a good start! I had a bone density test last week and it showed signs of pre stages of osteoporosis. My doctor started me on calcium and much to my displeasure it has caused my Darier's to flare a little. Has anyone else had this experience? I am seeing her in two weeks and have stopped taking it to see if the flare up goes away. I was doing so well up until that point. Oh well so the journey continues!

Mary Lou