Showing posts with label therapy. Show all posts
Showing posts with label therapy. Show all posts

Sunday, 23 September 2018



Image source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6134490/


Posted in the Darier's White Disorder group on Facebook was an article from a naturopathic doctor, and then a comment from someone who has used Magnesium orally to help combat the symptoms of Hailey Hailey disease which is similar but different to Darier's White Disorder. Here have a look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hailey%E2%80%93Hailey_disease


Here's the article👉: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6134490/ 

What I found interesting: "therapeutic regime of oral magnesium (300 mg/day)... In June 2017, a trial of oral magnesium chloride 300 mg per day was started. Within 1 month, significant improvement was seen in lesions

I take 100 mg/day as recommended by my family doctor - I'm starting to increase my dose (but slowly as there is a laxative side effect to consider! From 100 mg to 200 mg a day (one pill in the morning and one before bed. What a happy accident to have the Magnesium prescribed to me for my headaches, meanwhile its been possibly helping my skin disorder!


Here's what someone said in the group as a comment and I found really helpful: 


"I have been intimately involved with this protocol for people with closely related Hailey Hailey disease since the original Borghi case study in 2014. At this point, several thousand people with HHD follow this protocol, most with considerable success.

It does not stop outbreaks, but it does limit their frequency, size and greatly speeds healing.

Several things have been found through testing to be important that were not uncovered in the original case study.

The first is that the dose of magnesium that appears to work best is 6 mg/kg of body weight when you have an active outbreak reduced to 4.5 mg/kg when there is no outbreak to maintain the protective effect.

Dosing based on weight rather than the standard approach which is based on age and sex is much more effective. Although based on weight, the dosing is roughly equivalent to 100% of the Recommended Daily Intake for magnesium at the full 6 mg/kg dose.

The other difference that was found to be important compared with the original case study is that this works best when you maintain vitamin D in a range of 40-60 ng/ml (100-150 nmol/L). To maintain the higher end of this range requires a daily dose of vitamin D of roughly 7,000 IU/day. While this range and dosing is considerably higher than that recommended by the national standards organizations, it is perfectly safe as long as you have normal kidney function. Although 4,000 IU/day is the official Upper Safety Limit, the same standards body set 10,000 IU/day as the No Observed Adverse Effect Level (NOAEL). Another way of looking at the safety of this dosing is that the body will produce between 20,000-30,000 IU of vitamin D from sun exposure.

A number of people have added Vitamin C to this regime although there are no studies, formal or informal showing that this makes a difference in Hailey Hailey.

The original case study was based on the use of magnesium chloride, but there has been extensive informal testing of other forms of magnesium and all with the exception of magnesium oxide and hydroxide seem to work equally well.

Some people are very sensitive to the laxative effects of magnesium, but there are several simple steps that minimize them. The first is to switch to an amino acid chelate of magnesium such as lysinate, glycinate and so on. The second is to split the dose in two and take half in the morning, half at night. It also helps to drink an extra glass of water when you take the magnesium effectively lowering the concentration and thereby laxative effect.

Happy to help anyone interested in adopting this regime. Given the success for Hailey Hailey, there is every reason to think it will be useful for Darier's"



Are you using Magnesium too?



Image source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6134490/


Posted in the Darier's White Disorder group on Facebook was an article from a naturopathic doctor, and then a comment from someone who has used Magnesium orally to help combat the symptoms of Hailey Hailey disease which is similar but different to Darier's White Disorder. Here have a look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hailey%E2%80%93Hailey_disease


Here's the article👉: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6134490/ 

What I found interesting: "therapeutic regime of oral magnesium (300 mg/day)... In June 2017, a trial of oral magnesium chloride 300 mg per day was started. Within 1 month, significant improvement was seen in lesions

I take 100 mg/day as recommended by my family doctor - I'm starting to increase my dose (but slowly as there is a laxative side effect to consider! From 100 mg to 200 mg a day (one pill in the morning and one before bed. What a happy accident to have the Magnesium prescribed to me for my headaches, meanwhile its been possibly helping my skin disorder!


Here's what someone said in the group as a comment and I found really helpful: 


"I have been intimately involved with this protocol for people with closely related Hailey Hailey disease since the original Borghi case study in 2014. At this point, several thousand people with HHD follow this protocol, most with considerable success.

It does not stop outbreaks, but it does limit their frequency, size and greatly speeds healing.

Several things have been found through testing to be important that were not uncovered in the original case study.

The first is that the dose of magnesium that appears to work best is 6 mg/kg of body weight when you have an active outbreak reduced to 4.5 mg/kg when there is no outbreak to maintain the protective effect.

Dosing based on weight rather than the standard approach which is based on age and sex is much more effective. Although based on weight, the dosing is roughly equivalent to 100% of the Recommended Daily Intake for magnesium at the full 6 mg/kg dose.

The other difference that was found to be important compared with the original case study is that this works best when you maintain vitamin D in a range of 40-60 ng/ml (100-150 nmol/L). To maintain the higher end of this range requires a daily dose of vitamin D of roughly 7,000 IU/day. While this range and dosing is considerably higher than that recommended by the national standards organizations, it is perfectly safe as long as you have normal kidney function. Although 4,000 IU/day is the official Upper Safety Limit, the same standards body set 10,000 IU/day as the No Observed Adverse Effect Level (NOAEL). Another way of looking at the safety of this dosing is that the body will produce between 20,000-30,000 IU of vitamin D from sun exposure.

A number of people have added Vitamin C to this regime although there are no studies, formal or informal showing that this makes a difference in Hailey Hailey.

The original case study was based on the use of magnesium chloride, but there has been extensive informal testing of other forms of magnesium and all with the exception of magnesium oxide and hydroxide seem to work equally well.

Some people are very sensitive to the laxative effects of magnesium, but there are several simple steps that minimize them. The first is to switch to an amino acid chelate of magnesium such as lysinate, glycinate and so on. The second is to split the dose in two and take half in the morning, half at night. It also helps to drink an extra glass of water when you take the magnesium effectively lowering the concentration and thereby laxative effect.

Happy to help anyone interested in adopting this regime. Given the success for Hailey Hailey, there is every reason to think it will be useful for Darier's"



Are you using Magnesium too?

Tuesday, 5 October 2010

More emails from great people from around the world who also have DD - our thoughts over email shared for your interest:


Hi Adrianna!My name is Tsvetelina, Eastern Europe.I was diagnosed with Darier's disease 10 years ago,now I'm 29.When I was searching on the web for new information and treatment of DD, I  found the site www.skinpatientsalliance.ca and your postings.As I also have the disease, I think and hope that we can exchange information about therapies and treatment of DD and help each other.
Like you, I've seen a lot of dermatologists,most didn't know about DD or know a few.After being diagnosed with DD, I hardly wanted that biopsy was wrong.I even took second biopsy,still the same - Darier's disease.So I had to admit I should live with it and find a treatment wich will work for me.That isn't easy,as you know that for now,there's no total cure of DD, only supporting treatment unfortunately.
With the years I have outbreaks more often,especially when I have my period.I've been taking oral retinoids - Neotigason,but only for 2-3 months because it caused me hard loss of hair.I also used topical retinoids -Retin A,Adapalene also known as Differin ( I still use it,it gives me good results) and others.I also use corticosteroids as cream - Fucicort ,wich also contains antibiotics,and I also have been on injections with corticosteroids,didn't help a lot.I have had procedures of chemical peeling,that also didn't help me a lot.As I didn't find the "right therapy",  I keep searching .And I try to stay positive and believe that somehow things will be better.
I also take vitamins and supplements but not regularly.From 2 weeks I'm taking 4 Life Transfer Factor Plus( www.4life.com) and I expect a good result.As I learn in your blog about your Hypoallergic diet ,I'm interested in what exactly it consist(I never made a diet for DD).Also about the vitamins and supplements you're taking,in what doses,and for what periods of time?Now I'm also thinking on the possibility for a surgery with Yag Laser,I read articles that it works on DD and even a complete remission can be achieved.
Hope you'll write me back and we can give a hand on our common problem - Darier's disease.
Best regards,
Tsvetelina
-------------------------------


Hello!
Good to meet you - and I'm sorry that you too have DD. I have posted my dosages on the website but tend to stay away from much detail because I am not a doctor nor a health practitioner - take the vitamins and suupliments to your natural path or health practitioner to get the dosage that is right for your body. Right now I take Vit B1,6,12 complex, Zinc/copper, Vitamin D, A, sometimes C, omegas on occasion when I haven't had fish in that day, probiotics, maritime PINE BARK! is my saviour. It is my miracle pill.  Look into it - I couldn't live without it!
I'm having troubles seeing all my posts on skinpatientalliace and have called them recently to figure it out - I'm thinking most of my dosage entries are there.  I hope they will figure it out with me soon!
I haven't tried most of the medication you have listed - the side effects scared me off too quickly and so did the prices! The hypoallergenic diet was to find my triggers and you can find the general outline of how to do one over the internet but I strongly suggest seeing someone to support you through it like a homeopath or nutritionist just to make sure you don't get sick eliminating things from your diet. I feel more in control of my body since the detox/diet since now I know how my body reacts to certain foods and can understand a flare up or stomach ache - its really empowering!
I haven't heard about yag laser - please tell me more!  It sounds expensive but complete remission would be amazing.
I'm sorry I can't be more helpful but hopefully having a dialogue will help us both!  Thank you for the email,
Adrianna
---------------------------------------------

Hi Adrianna!Thank you for your e-mail!

About the Yag laser I'll send you some links to websites,where you can find detailled information:

http://www.asclepion.com/root_corporate/pdf/studies/MCL%20Efficacy%20of%20erbium%20laser%20ablation%20in%20darier%20disease%20and%20hailey-hailey%20disease.pdf

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6eA19evcLAkJ:www.ehow.com/way_5670338_laser-therapy-darier_s-disease.html+laser+therapy+for+darier's+disease&cd=2&hl=bg&ct=clnk&gl=bg

I didn't recently speak to a dermatologist about this procedure and don't know the prices, but I think it will be expensive too.The procedure must be done during autumn or winter,here the dermatologists don't have any experience regarding the use of Yag laser for DD,that's also why I hesitate.

I found here Maritime Pine Bark and will try it.Also I start again taking Vit A+E, Fish oil and will include Vit B complex.I continue with 4 Life Transfer Factor,you can check on it,it's not a medication but a supplement, very good for the immune system and recommended for autoimune diseases, what is DD.

I'll see what I can do about the diet,I never have been allergic to food,but regardind DD,I noticed that it gets worse after drinking alcool or eating chocolate,desserts.

About the medications, after using Neotigason,I don't want to  hear about any oral retinoids,it was really awful.I can recommend you to use topical creams with antibiotics and corticosteroids ,just in case of inflammation and infection.

Thanks again for the information,hope we'll keep in touch!

More emails from great people from around the world who also have DD - our thoughts over email shared for your interest:


Hi Adrianna!My name is Tsvetelina, Eastern Europe.I was diagnosed with Darier's disease 10 years ago,now I'm 29.When I was searching on the web for new information and treatment of DD, I  found the site www.skinpatientsalliance.ca and your postings.As I also have the disease, I think and hope that we can exchange information about therapies and treatment of DD and help each other.
Like you, I've seen a lot of dermatologists,most didn't know about DD or know a few.After being diagnosed with DD, I hardly wanted that biopsy was wrong.I even took second biopsy,still the same - Darier's disease.So I had to admit I should live with it and find a treatment wich will work for me.That isn't easy,as you know that for now,there's no total cure of DD, only supporting treatment unfortunately.
With the years I have outbreaks more often,especially when I have my period.I've been taking oral retinoids - Neotigason,but only for 2-3 months because it caused me hard loss of hair.I also used topical retinoids -Retin A,Adapalene also known as Differin ( I still use it,it gives me good results) and others.I also use corticosteroids as cream - Fucicort ,wich also contains antibiotics,and I also have been on injections with corticosteroids,didn't help a lot.I have had procedures of chemical peeling,that also didn't help me a lot.As I didn't find the "right therapy",  I keep searching .And I try to stay positive and believe that somehow things will be better.
I also take vitamins and supplements but not regularly.From 2 weeks I'm taking 4 Life Transfer Factor Plus( www.4life.com) and I expect a good result.As I learn in your blog about your Hypoallergic diet ,I'm interested in what exactly it consist(I never made a diet for DD).Also about the vitamins and supplements you're taking,in what doses,and for what periods of time?Now I'm also thinking on the possibility for a surgery with Yag Laser,I read articles that it works on DD and even a complete remission can be achieved.
Hope you'll write me back and we can give a hand on our common problem - Darier's disease.
Best regards,
Tsvetelina
-------------------------------


Hello!
Good to meet you - and I'm sorry that you too have DD. I have posted my dosages on the website but tend to stay away from much detail because I am not a doctor nor a health practitioner - take the vitamins and suupliments to your natural path or health practitioner to get the dosage that is right for your body. Right now I take Vit B1,6,12 complex, Zinc/copper, Vitamin D, A, sometimes C, omegas on occasion when I haven't had fish in that day, probiotics, maritime PINE BARK! is my saviour. It is my miracle pill.  Look into it - I couldn't live without it!
I'm having troubles seeing all my posts on skinpatientalliace and have called them recently to figure it out - I'm thinking most of my dosage entries are there.  I hope they will figure it out with me soon!
I haven't tried most of the medication you have listed - the side effects scared me off too quickly and so did the prices! The hypoallergenic diet was to find my triggers and you can find the general outline of how to do one over the internet but I strongly suggest seeing someone to support you through it like a homeopath or nutritionist just to make sure you don't get sick eliminating things from your diet. I feel more in control of my body since the detox/diet since now I know how my body reacts to certain foods and can understand a flare up or stomach ache - its really empowering!
I haven't heard about yag laser - please tell me more!  It sounds expensive but complete remission would be amazing.
I'm sorry I can't be more helpful but hopefully having a dialogue will help us both!  Thank you for the email,
Adrianna
---------------------------------------------

Hi Adrianna!Thank you for your e-mail!

About the Yag laser I'll send you some links to websites,where you can find detailled information:

http://www.asclepion.com/root_corporate/pdf/studies/MCL%20Efficacy%20of%20erbium%20laser%20ablation%20in%20darier%20disease%20and%20hailey-hailey%20disease.pdf

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6eA19evcLAkJ:www.ehow.com/way_5670338_laser-therapy-darier_s-disease.html+laser+therapy+for+darier's+disease&cd=2&hl=bg&ct=clnk&gl=bg

I didn't recently speak to a dermatologist about this procedure and don't know the prices, but I think it will be expensive too.The procedure must be done during autumn or winter,here the dermatologists don't have any experience regarding the use of Yag laser for DD,that's also why I hesitate.

I found here Maritime Pine Bark and will try it.Also I start again taking Vit A+E, Fish oil and will include Vit B complex.I continue with 4 Life Transfer Factor,you can check on it,it's not a medication but a supplement, very good for the immune system and recommended for autoimune diseases, what is DD.

I'll see what I can do about the diet,I never have been allergic to food,but regardind DD,I noticed that it gets worse after drinking alcool or eating chocolate,desserts.

About the medications, after using Neotigason,I don't want to  hear about any oral retinoids,it was really awful.I can recommend you to use topical creams with antibiotics and corticosteroids ,just in case of inflammation and infection.

Thanks again for the information,hope we'll keep in touch!